1 00:00:13,500 --> 00:00:09,629 good morning Wonder and transformation 2 00:00:18,359 --> 00:00:13,510 for me that is what draws a lot of us to 3 00:00:22,650 --> 00:00:18,369 SSE it's what has drawn me to this field 4 00:00:25,769 --> 00:00:22,660 of exploration in general and it for me 5 00:00:29,490 --> 00:00:25,779 started 20 years ago when I had my first 6 00:00:33,299 --> 00:00:29,500 out-of-body experience and I first 7 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:33,309 became curious based on conversations 8 00:00:39,060 --> 00:00:36,250 with friends and that curiosity led me 9 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:39,070 to read everything I could find some of 10 00:00:45,810 --> 00:00:42,370 it was scientific literature so the work 11 00:00:49,049 --> 00:00:45,820 of people like Janet was instrumental 12 00:00:51,540 --> 00:00:49,059 but then also experiential works like 13 00:00:54,060 --> 00:00:51,550 whoever bought Peterson here read read 14 00:00:57,029 --> 00:00:54,070 his book he played a big role but so 15 00:00:59,100 --> 00:00:57,039 many others will involvement so on so 16 00:01:02,910 --> 00:00:59,110 once convinced that these experiences 17 00:01:05,700 --> 00:01:02,920 were not something fringe in the sense 18 00:01:08,670 --> 00:01:05,710 that millions of people have been having 19 00:01:11,010 --> 00:01:08,680 them throughout history that there was 20 00:01:14,699 --> 00:01:11,020 at least some indication that these 21 00:01:17,070 --> 00:01:14,709 experiences could be more than just in 22 00:01:20,309 --> 00:01:17,080 one's head or at the very least that 23 00:01:22,410 --> 00:01:20,319 they provoked positive outcomes then I 24 00:01:24,779 --> 00:01:22,420 decided well the proof is in the pudding 25 00:01:27,839 --> 00:01:24,789 I just have to experience it myself and 26 00:01:31,230 --> 00:01:27,849 once I did it was quite transformative 27 00:01:33,169 --> 00:01:31,240 and addictive I kept trying to have them 28 00:01:37,770 --> 00:01:33,179 and then that led to interests in 29 00:01:40,130 --> 00:01:37,780 bioenergy bio field and so on that 30 00:01:43,260 --> 00:01:40,140 curiosity led me to the pair laboratory 31 00:01:46,339 --> 00:01:43,270 where I was fortunate to see the 32 00:01:49,169 --> 00:01:46,349 laboratory towards the tln and 33 00:01:52,109 --> 00:01:49,179 experience the interaction potential 34 00:01:55,260 --> 00:01:52,119 interaction between consciousness of 35 00:01:58,109 --> 00:01:55,270 being and machines that was particular 36 00:02:00,540 --> 00:01:58,119 peeling to me as a budding engineer I 37 00:02:04,710 --> 00:02:00,550 was still just first in high school and 38 00:02:08,339 --> 00:02:04,720 in college I thought that in order to 39 00:02:11,820 --> 00:02:08,349 promote this change this transformation 40 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:11,830 this wonder and all that consciousness 41 00:02:17,059 --> 00:02:14,170 can can bring the best thing I could do 42 00:02:18,420 --> 00:02:17,069 is engage in in education so I 43 00:02:21,059 --> 00:02:18,430 facilitated 44 00:02:24,270 --> 00:02:21,069 education and experiences through 45 00:02:28,050 --> 00:02:24,280 organizations like IC RL IAC and so on 46 00:02:31,470 --> 00:02:28,060 as a volunteer while I was pursuing my 47 00:02:35,250 --> 00:02:31,480 engineering career more recently I have 48 00:02:39,619 --> 00:02:35,260 realized that the narratives that we are 49 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:39,629 using the applications that we are 50 00:02:45,030 --> 00:02:42,250 advocating for are highly technical 51 00:02:48,750 --> 00:02:45,040 they're of interest to us consciousness 52 00:02:51,509 --> 00:02:48,760 nerds here but it's really a little 53 00:02:53,819 --> 00:02:51,519 boring or just just mildly interesting 54 00:02:56,369 --> 00:02:53,829 for most people out there and to me 55 00:02:58,229 --> 00:02:56,379 that's unfortunate because really I 56 00:03:00,899 --> 00:02:58,239 think millions of people can benefit 57 00:03:04,819 --> 00:03:00,909 from the work that we are doing here 58 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:04,829 so I act his company I helped found is 59 00:03:10,199 --> 00:03:08,049 just an attempt to experiment with these 60 00:03:12,959 --> 00:03:10,209 different narratives to try to reach out 61 00:03:15,509 --> 00:03:12,969 to a broader audience of course it won't 62 00:03:20,339 --> 00:03:15,519 go as deep as we go here but it's a sort 63 00:03:22,830 --> 00:03:20,349 of a doorway into the rabbit hole wrap 64 00:03:27,030 --> 00:03:22,840 of Alice in Wonderland that we have here 65 00:03:28,469 --> 00:03:27,040 so the approach that we're taking is 66 00:03:30,930 --> 00:03:28,479 that some of the things that we're 67 00:03:33,869 --> 00:03:30,940 studying here can be quite good for your 68 00:03:37,170 --> 00:03:33,879 well-being right they can help to 69 00:03:40,409 --> 00:03:37,180 provide insight into anything you do as 70 00:03:43,589 --> 00:03:40,419 well so we think that obviously people 71 00:03:46,740 --> 00:03:43,599 that work in a healthy environment it 72 00:03:49,140 --> 00:03:46,750 can have more development professional 73 00:03:50,999 --> 00:03:49,150 and personal and can enjoy more 74 00:03:53,550 --> 00:03:51,009 well-being people who feel better 75 00:03:56,759 --> 00:03:53,560 perform better in terms of creativity 76 00:04:00,179 --> 00:03:56,769 innovation in terms of even less sick 77 00:04:03,330 --> 00:04:00,189 days more productive and so on 78 00:04:05,460 --> 00:04:03,340 so as far as exactly what we're doing 79 00:04:08,460 --> 00:04:05,470 we're trying to apply some of what we 80 00:04:10,770 --> 00:04:08,470 learn at conferences like SSE and 81 00:04:15,719 --> 00:04:10,780 through our own personal experiences and 82 00:04:17,990 --> 00:04:15,729 and experiments to apply all of this for 83 00:04:22,499 --> 00:04:18,000 transformation transformative techniques 84 00:04:25,350 --> 00:04:22,509 technology for individuals organizations 85 00:04:30,719 --> 00:04:25,360 and communities as well that might mean 86 00:04:32,370 --> 00:04:30,729 mentoring training or actual R&D one way 87 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:32,380 they were trying to frame this in 88 00:04:41,010 --> 00:04:36,730 emerging field of application is kind of 89 00:04:44,730 --> 00:04:41,020 piggybacking on the AR VR craze right 90 00:04:46,260 --> 00:04:44,740 and calling some of what we're studying 91 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:46,270 the space where a lot of these 92 00:04:51,150 --> 00:04:48,250 experiences exist as sort of 93 00:04:53,940 --> 00:04:51,160 consciousness reality you know sometimes 94 00:04:56,340 --> 00:04:53,950 I fear that we will encourage people to 95 00:04:58,530 --> 00:04:56,350 wear goggles and just sort of disappear 96 00:05:02,060 --> 00:04:58,540 into this virtual world when we have 97 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:02,070 within us a bottomless well of 98 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:06,090 creativity of innovation and and of 99 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:10,210 genuine potential and that's maybe 100 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:12,010 arguably there's nothing more real than 101 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:15,850 what's within us so we want to 102 00:05:23,850 --> 00:05:19,210 compliment AR and VR with CR this sort 103 00:05:26,730 --> 00:05:23,860 of consciousness reality and for that we 104 00:05:30,150 --> 00:05:26,740 work with fellow organizations to 105 00:05:31,890 --> 00:05:30,160 explore these experiences and how these 106 00:05:35,390 --> 00:05:31,900 experiences might be beneficial to 107 00:05:38,310 --> 00:05:35,400 everyday people and then we also work on 108 00:05:39,870 --> 00:05:38,320 technologies that facilitate some of 109 00:05:43,220 --> 00:05:39,880 these experiences might they might be 110 00:05:47,790 --> 00:05:43,230 apps or there might be actual apparatus 111 00:05:51,660 --> 00:05:47,800 some of it uses vibrations vibrato 112 00:05:54,630 --> 00:05:51,670 sticks to be specific or other sort of 113 00:05:56,820 --> 00:05:54,640 sound based technologies to provoke or 114 00:05:59,640 --> 00:05:56,830 facilitate the experiences and others 115 00:06:01,860 --> 00:05:59,650 are just making sure that I don't have 116 00:06:06,290 --> 00:06:01,870 to be a thousand places at once to teach 117 00:06:09,620 --> 00:06:06,300 an OB technique right now we have been 118 00:06:12,780 --> 00:06:09,630 successful as a community to try to 119 00:06:15,390 --> 00:06:12,790 begin to show benefits of what we do 120 00:06:17,940 --> 00:06:15,400 even if it's at a more superficial level 121 00:06:20,490 --> 00:06:17,950 and you know big companies are paying 122 00:06:22,890 --> 00:06:20,500 attention to it even the US military is 123 00:06:25,220 --> 00:06:22,900 paying attention to it just in terms of 124 00:06:29,070 --> 00:06:25,230 coping with stress and being more 125 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:29,080 innovative and so on even in sports you 126 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:31,090 start to see attention being paid to 127 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:35,290 things like mindfulness biofield related 128 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:39,130 practices and so on and you might feel 129 00:06:44,610 --> 00:06:41,650 the professional field I'm an electrical 130 00:06:46,170 --> 00:06:44,620 engineer safety plays a big role and 131 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:46,180 it's known that it 132 00:06:52,650 --> 00:06:49,810 for example most injuries I do not to 133 00:06:55,830 --> 00:06:52,660 the inherent hazards of for example 134 00:06:58,340 --> 00:06:55,840 high-voltage electricity it's it really 135 00:07:01,379 --> 00:06:58,350 begins with states of mind or 136 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:01,389 mindlessness to to be more specific 137 00:07:07,580 --> 00:07:04,570 so obviously focus calm tranquility can 138 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:07,590 go a long way and that can represent 139 00:07:14,580 --> 00:07:11,050 saving lives and saving considerable 140 00:07:17,430 --> 00:07:14,590 sums of money so that's all well and 141 00:07:20,490 --> 00:07:17,440 good so we we know that it can help 142 00:07:22,290 --> 00:07:20,500 well-being and performance and that this 143 00:07:24,779 --> 00:07:22,300 is something relevant and is in the 144 00:07:28,379 --> 00:07:24,789 minds of business leaders all over the 145 00:07:31,110 --> 00:07:28,389 world but the underlying mechanisms are 146 00:07:32,550 --> 00:07:31,120 still something that most people 147 00:07:35,310 --> 00:07:32,560 wouldn't feel comfortable talking about 148 00:07:39,719 --> 00:07:35,320 in a workplace right so it would be 149 00:07:42,390 --> 00:07:39,729 helpful to to detect this energy and to 150 00:07:43,589 --> 00:07:42,400 make it something more more mundane for 151 00:07:44,999 --> 00:07:43,599 every birthday every day we're all 152 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:45,009 that's just something part of the world 153 00:07:51,180 --> 00:07:48,130 and I already heard about how you might 154 00:07:53,010 --> 00:07:51,190 be able to detect energy and the lecture 155 00:07:57,810 --> 00:07:53,020 after me will also be related to that 156 00:08:00,390 --> 00:07:57,820 and these the difficulty remains though 157 00:08:02,420 --> 00:08:00,400 that just like it's difficult to show 158 00:08:06,390 --> 00:08:02,430 somebody an out-of-body experience as 159 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:06,400 McNamara discussed yesterday it's also 160 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:09,210 difficult to drag someone in a lab and 161 00:08:15,719 --> 00:08:13,810 show them about bioenergy so as as an 162 00:08:20,990 --> 00:08:15,729 engineer try to also come up with some 163 00:08:23,879 --> 00:08:21,000 sort of low-budget version of bioenergy 164 00:08:26,870 --> 00:08:23,889 cultural transformation technology 165 00:08:32,130 --> 00:08:26,880 something that could be easily done in a 166 00:08:35,310 --> 00:08:32,140 in a school science fair for example or 167 00:08:39,659 --> 00:08:35,320 at your home and that of course could 168 00:08:41,909 --> 00:08:39,669 then be made in a lab as well so at I 169 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:41,919 act we are doing some sophisticated 170 00:08:50,790 --> 00:08:45,970 things as well using fMRI we we have 171 00:08:52,740 --> 00:08:50,800 shown that bioenergy can be detected at 172 00:08:56,250 --> 00:08:52,750 least some states appear to be detected 173 00:08:58,490 --> 00:08:56,260 with fMRI and that things that don't 174 00:09:01,100 --> 00:08:58,500 appear possible 175 00:09:03,410 --> 00:09:01,110 have been showing up on fMRI so when 176 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:03,420 someone enters a particular energy state 177 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:05,910 like what's called vibrational state 178 00:09:11,750 --> 00:09:08,730 this resin state of feeling that your 179 00:09:17,030 --> 00:09:11,760 entire field is resonant energy appears 180 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:17,040 to to go beyond the brain it's something 181 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:18,570 like you're not supposed have brainwave 182 00:09:23,870 --> 00:09:21,270 activity outside your brain but that's 183 00:09:26,690 --> 00:09:23,880 what the fMRI imagery appears to 184 00:09:28,870 --> 00:09:26,700 indicate so that's just you know 185 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:28,880 something I can discuss in a different 186 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:31,650 venue but that is something we're doing 187 00:09:36,260 --> 00:09:34,290 but again fMRI is very expensive it 188 00:09:40,550 --> 00:09:36,270 requires people who are highly trained 189 00:09:42,940 --> 00:09:40,560 it's hard to get your hands on it so we 190 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:42,950 are moving beyond beyond that as well 191 00:09:48,110 --> 00:09:45,330 into something a lot cheaper and more 192 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:48,120 accessible so you can go to Walgreens or 193 00:09:53,810 --> 00:09:50,730 whatnot and buy some carnations right 194 00:09:56,870 --> 00:09:53,820 and so I just pick white carnations 195 00:09:59,060 --> 00:09:56,880 because they're easy to get white just 196 00:10:03,470 --> 00:09:59,070 because it would provide contrast 197 00:10:06,380 --> 00:10:03,480 between the original healthy state and 198 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:06,390 the wilted state and it would be 199 00:10:12,370 --> 00:10:10,170 visually contrasting and you can 200 00:10:15,500 --> 00:10:12,380 essentially use these flowers as 201 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:15,510 biological sensors of biofield 202 00:10:22,730 --> 00:10:18,090 and you can set up an experiment whereby 203 00:10:24,650 --> 00:10:22,740 you have a few flowers in this case you 204 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:24,660 could you can have three flowers three 205 00:10:32,210 --> 00:10:29,850 jars they're sufficiently distance apart 206 00:10:34,190 --> 00:10:32,220 from each other and they have the same 207 00:10:36,470 --> 00:10:34,200 amount of water same amount of sunlight 208 00:10:38,540 --> 00:10:36,480 exposure you know no additional 209 00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:38,550 nutrients just the same amount of water 210 00:10:44,630 --> 00:10:41,760 and you try to keep all relevant 211 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:44,640 physical parameters the same you can 212 00:10:51,110 --> 00:10:49,530 rotate the position of the jars and one 213 00:10:53,030 --> 00:10:51,120 of these jars will be treated 214 00:10:57,070 --> 00:10:53,040 differently than the others so the 215 00:11:00,710 --> 00:10:57,080 experimental jar would simply receive 216 00:11:02,810 --> 00:11:00,720 emissions of this intention you know 217 00:11:06,140 --> 00:11:02,820 it's so yesterday we talked about in 218 00:11:08,330 --> 00:11:06,150 attention units our intention units we 219 00:11:10,340 --> 00:11:08,340 talked about biofield emissions so 220 00:11:11,630 --> 00:11:10,350 however you want to frame it you're 221 00:11:17,470 --> 00:11:11,640 you're going you're going to 222 00:11:21,340 --> 00:11:17,480 the user the operator the subject emit 223 00:11:23,630 --> 00:11:21,350 energy the best that they can emit their 224 00:11:25,730 --> 00:11:23,640 positive intention try to establish 225 00:11:29,810 --> 00:11:25,740 rapport with this flower they might give 226 00:11:32,270 --> 00:11:29,820 it a nickname you know and almost endear 227 00:11:35,420 --> 00:11:32,280 it as a pet and just sort of ignore the 228 00:11:38,740 --> 00:11:35,430 other two so that's pretty much what 229 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:38,750 myself and a colleague did in university 230 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:42,810 and just as a little pilot exploratory 231 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:45,690 thing not a really a formal experiment 232 00:11:51,020 --> 00:11:48,930 but just to see if it was viable right 233 00:11:52,970 --> 00:11:51,030 and at the time I didn't have my lovely 234 00:11:55,910 --> 00:11:52,980 iPhone camera so I have really crappy 235 00:11:59,300 --> 00:11:55,920 pictures I apologize but just to give 236 00:12:02,720 --> 00:11:59,310 you an idea right that after a couple of 237 00:12:06,110 --> 00:12:02,730 weeks at the top you have a normally 238 00:12:10,180 --> 00:12:06,120 wilted flower which was the control and 239 00:12:13,310 --> 00:12:10,190 then you have the flower that received 240 00:12:16,610 --> 00:12:13,320 the intention right so the the you see 241 00:12:19,100 --> 00:12:16,620 the most wilted flower in terms of the 242 00:12:22,580 --> 00:12:19,110 set of flowers that received intention 243 00:12:24,020 --> 00:12:22,590 and the least wilted flower that did not 244 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:24,030 receive any attention just to be 245 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:26,130 conservative and still it's just it was 246 00:12:31,070 --> 00:12:27,810 visually striking you could just tell 247 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:31,080 that that there was a difference both my 248 00:12:38,870 --> 00:12:37,170 set and my colleague set so we thought 249 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:38,880 it was viable but that that's where we 250 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:40,530 left it said okay that was fun you know 251 00:12:44,930 --> 00:12:43,050 it was a good personal experience but 252 00:12:48,470 --> 00:12:44,940 then more recently I've thought about 253 00:12:50,650 --> 00:12:48,480 how could we actually measure that could 254 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:50,660 could we come up with some sort of 255 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:53,250 numerical assessment of that difference 256 00:13:01,210 --> 00:12:56,130 that is visually obvious but it was hard 257 00:13:04,820 --> 00:13:01,220 to put a number to it so by taking these 258 00:13:07,340 --> 00:13:04,830 photos you could crop out just the 259 00:13:10,340 --> 00:13:07,350 flower without any background take the 260 00:13:13,270 --> 00:13:10,350 largest crop that you can and then you 261 00:13:16,970 --> 00:13:13,280 can run it essentially through a 262 00:13:21,410 --> 00:13:16,980 software program that will analyze the 263 00:13:25,350 --> 00:13:21,420 color the pixels and so I looked at the 264 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:25,360 CMYK content of each sample 265 00:13:31,829 --> 00:13:29,410 and looked for how much black hue each 266 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:31,839 one had and of course since one is 267 00:13:37,530 --> 00:13:33,850 darker than the other there's an obvious 268 00:13:41,220 --> 00:13:37,540 difference in in how much black content 269 00:13:45,809 --> 00:13:41,230 darkness each sample has and this is 270 00:13:49,439 --> 00:13:45,819 easily available algorithm and so the 271 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:49,449 idea is that we want to not just have 272 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:52,569 experiences and we want to also be able 273 00:13:57,090 --> 00:13:54,850 to to quantify that as much as as 274 00:14:00,749 --> 00:13:57,100 possible so the attempt was to come up 275 00:14:06,479 --> 00:14:00,759 with some sort of measure and it was 276 00:14:09,389 --> 00:14:06,489 also a opportunity to honor a mentor who 277 00:14:12,239 --> 00:14:09,399 spent a lot of time trying to measure 278 00:14:15,749 --> 00:14:12,249 some sort of influence that we may have 279 00:14:19,710 --> 00:14:15,759 over the physical world and so we set 280 00:14:22,739 --> 00:14:19,720 out to develop a measure that was a 281 00:14:24,419 --> 00:14:22,749 ratio and a unitless but that would 282 00:14:27,229 --> 00:14:24,429 provide the proportion of difference 283 00:14:30,479 --> 00:14:27,239 between the treated and untreated 284 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:30,489 samples so the most basic kind of 285 00:14:35,129 --> 00:14:31,929 measure you could come up with is a 286 00:14:38,039 --> 00:14:35,139 ratio like this now whether it's a ratio 287 00:14:39,869 --> 00:14:38,049 that measures an energy a flow of 288 00:14:41,639 --> 00:14:39,879 information of course they're different 289 00:14:44,129 --> 00:14:41,649 models to talk about what the influence 290 00:14:48,629 --> 00:14:44,139 is and I'm not here to discuss that 291 00:14:50,460 --> 00:14:48,639 right now but you know I tend to look at 292 00:14:53,009 --> 00:14:50,470 it more as a transfer of information but 293 00:14:56,159 --> 00:14:53,019 I'm not not quite sure I don't again 294 00:14:59,789 --> 00:14:56,169 when is quite sure what energy is this 295 00:15:03,389 --> 00:14:59,799 biofield is but we we can't quantify it 296 00:15:05,789 --> 00:15:03,399 in some fashion and specifically to this 297 00:15:09,900 --> 00:15:05,799 flower protocol you can look at the 298 00:15:13,739 --> 00:15:09,910 number of the number of bits of darkness 299 00:15:15,889 --> 00:15:13,749 versus lighter pixels and come up with a 300 00:15:20,249 --> 00:15:15,899 measure so just in a way of an example 301 00:15:25,049 --> 00:15:20,259 right for this set of flowers we we came 302 00:15:27,539 --> 00:15:25,059 up with a ratio of 25 and you can see 303 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:27,549 there is some contrast the one that had 304 00:15:34,079 --> 00:15:30,730 even more contrast and I put a larger 305 00:15:35,340 --> 00:15:34,089 number now in the future we're looking 306 00:15:38,350 --> 00:15:35,350 to 307 00:15:41,470 --> 00:15:38,360 improve on this measure rights common 308 00:15:42,129 --> 00:15:41,480 practice to use logarithms for this sort 309 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:42,139 of thing 310 00:15:47,650 --> 00:15:45,050 so we'll probably adopt something like 311 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:47,660 that I was one of the advices we also 312 00:15:53,470 --> 00:15:51,410 received from peer reviewers from 313 00:15:57,609 --> 00:15:53,480 colleagues people with more experience 314 00:16:00,280 --> 00:15:57,619 and we are right now designing the 315 00:16:03,460 --> 00:16:00,290 protocol for a formal experiment and 316 00:16:07,179 --> 00:16:03,470 we're going to conduct that with some 317 00:16:11,790 --> 00:16:07,189 help from some students and professors 318 00:16:14,049 --> 00:16:11,800 that from different universities and our 319 00:16:16,509 --> 00:16:14,059 idea was to just put this out there 320 00:16:18,609 --> 00:16:16,519 receive as much criticism as possible 321 00:16:21,340 --> 00:16:18,619 ahead of time and then implement that in 322 00:16:24,100 --> 00:16:21,350 our in our protocol and so we don't 323 00:16:26,129 --> 00:16:24,110 waste anybody's time right so I think 324 00:16:29,949 --> 00:16:26,139 just based on the first explorations 325 00:16:31,989 --> 00:16:29,959 it's going to be promising and so we're 326 00:16:34,419 --> 00:16:31,999 making a number of considerations how to 327 00:16:35,590 --> 00:16:34,429 improve that that protocol do we look at 328 00:16:38,799 --> 00:16:35,600 the whole flower do you look at 329 00:16:40,660 --> 00:16:38,809 individual petals and and then a lot of 330 00:16:42,340 --> 00:16:40,670 its just defining precisely the 331 00:16:46,179 --> 00:16:42,350 conditions of the experiment so people 332 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:46,189 can judge it replicate it as well and 333 00:16:50,619 --> 00:16:48,529 we're looking forward to the time where 334 00:16:52,509 --> 00:16:50,629 very sophisticated high budget 335 00:16:57,359 --> 00:16:52,519 technology that you heard before me and 336 00:17:01,350 --> 00:16:57,369 my low budget versions can help help 337 00:17:02,650 --> 00:17:01,360 culture to incorporate this concept of 338 00:17:05,799 --> 00:17:02,660 bioenergy 339 00:17:08,860 --> 00:17:05,809 of the idea that consciousness can play 340 00:17:12,100 --> 00:17:08,870 an active role in the physical universe 341 00:17:14,110 --> 00:17:12,110 and the hope is of course that this 342 00:17:19,029 --> 00:17:14,120 brings a different awareness to all of 343 00:17:21,789 --> 00:17:19,039 us that we can all do our manifestation 344 00:17:24,039 --> 00:17:21,799 make the world a better place and it's 345 00:17:26,199 --> 00:17:24,049 interesting to see that around the same 346 00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:26,209 time I was toying with this that there 347 00:17:32,620 --> 00:17:30,799 was a viral ad by IKEA that showed one 348 00:17:34,810 --> 00:17:32,630 plant receiving sort of bullying 349 00:17:37,930 --> 00:17:34,820 messages and another one that was 350 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:37,940 receiving very uplifting messages of 351 00:17:42,370 --> 00:17:39,770 course this is also not an experiment 352 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:42,380 scientific experiment it's more of a PR 353 00:17:47,529 --> 00:17:44,770 stunt but it's interesting to see that 354 00:17:48,550 --> 00:17:47,539 through things like this we we can 355 00:17:51,460 --> 00:17:48,560 captivate 356 00:17:55,150 --> 00:17:51,470 the public and it can be a way to sort 357 00:17:58,690 --> 00:17:55,160 of infiltrate the predominant paradigm 358 00:18:01,060 --> 00:17:58,700 and maybe from from within we can start 359 00:18:03,940 --> 00:18:01,070 to bring some transformation in a larger 360 00:18:06,670 --> 00:18:03,950 scale and that's our hope I'd like to 361 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:06,680 just invite you if you do have any sort 362 00:18:13,090 --> 00:18:09,290 of consciousness related technology to 363 00:18:21,910 --> 00:18:13,100 reach out to us and that's it I'll be 364 00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:21,920 available afterwards open for questions 365 00:18:29,260 --> 00:18:25,760 oh one more thing while we get our first 366 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:29,270 questioner we are developing some kits 367 00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:31,970 that if you'd like to try it at home of 368 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:33,440 course this is fairly easy you can do it 369 00:18:38,410 --> 00:18:36,050 yourself but you want a pre-made kit 370 00:18:40,900 --> 00:18:38,420 instructions just get in touch with us 371 00:18:47,050 --> 00:18:40,910 be happy to provide that later this year 372 00:18:48,910 --> 00:18:47,060 as well yes Bob Thank You Nelson I very 373 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:48,920 much enjoyed your talk thank you 374 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:51,170 I was wondering if you were familiar 375 00:18:56,380 --> 00:18:53,570 with I know there was an experiment done 376 00:19:00,490 --> 00:18:56,390 several decades ago I believe it 377 00:19:03,910 --> 00:19:00,500 involved Stuart blue Harare and in that 378 00:19:07,030 --> 00:19:03,920 experiment they used his cat spirit the 379 00:19:09,670 --> 00:19:07,040 cat yes spirit the cat and they had him 380 00:19:11,380 --> 00:19:09,680 travel out-of-body supposedly to his 381 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:11,390 room and they measured the number of 382 00:19:16,900 --> 00:19:14,570 meows the cat made per hour or something 383 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:16,910 and use that to quantify so I was 384 00:19:22,750 --> 00:19:19,490 wondering if you were considering using 385 00:19:24,490 --> 00:19:22,760 of animals instead of plants or doing 386 00:19:28,540 --> 00:19:24,500 some of those kind of experiments as 387 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:28,550 well as opposed to just plant based and 388 00:19:34,930 --> 00:19:32,330 what we're not at this moment and I 389 00:19:39,630 --> 00:19:34,940 rather like to leave my my cat to roam 390 00:19:41,770 --> 00:19:39,640 around but I get your point but the 391 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:41,780 motivation behind this is something that 392 00:19:47,020 --> 00:19:43,970 can be easily replicated low budget 393 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:47,030 right and less red tape and of course 394 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:49,250 any time you use a human subject animal 395 00:19:52,990 --> 00:19:50,330 subject you have a number of 396 00:19:55,300 --> 00:19:53,000 considerations right so we probably 397 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:55,310 steer away from that but just from 398 00:20:01,139 --> 00:19:58,090 personal experience you know I I have a 399 00:20:03,659 --> 00:20:01,149 cat and certainly 400 00:20:05,299 --> 00:20:03,669 I have and my friends have dogs and so 401 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:05,309 on and they seem to be quite perceptive 402 00:20:14,159 --> 00:20:11,289 yeah let me ask a question for point of 403 00:20:18,089 --> 00:20:14,169 clarification when you talked about the 404 00:20:19,709 --> 00:20:18,099 fMRI I may have misunderstood but I 405 00:20:21,930 --> 00:20:19,719 thought you were sort of implying that 406 00:20:25,859 --> 00:20:21,940 it's measuring something way out there 407 00:20:29,249 --> 00:20:25,869 where the fMRI is very much measuring 408 00:20:31,879 --> 00:20:29,259 what's in the brain it may be responding 409 00:20:33,989 --> 00:20:31,889 to what's out there could you clarify 410 00:20:36,450 --> 00:20:33,999 the point you were trying to make with 411 00:20:38,940 --> 00:20:36,460 you right right so we wondered the same 412 00:20:41,579 --> 00:20:38,950 thing so we originally had a subject in 413 00:20:44,310 --> 00:20:41,589 the fMRI this is his brain and he was 414 00:20:48,479 --> 00:20:44,320 performing a practice that leads to a 415 00:20:51,259 --> 00:20:48,489 state called vibrational state and after 416 00:20:53,249 --> 00:20:51,269 at the at the height of when he reported 417 00:20:55,529 --> 00:20:53,259 self-reported having the vibrational 418 00:20:57,690 --> 00:20:55,539 state there was a significant brain 419 00:21:00,959 --> 00:20:57,700 activity but nothing anomalous really 420 00:21:03,989 --> 00:21:00,969 but just after he stopped not only was 421 00:21:06,779 --> 00:21:03,999 there you know typical activity across 422 00:21:09,089 --> 00:21:06,789 the hemispheres then there were effects 423 00:21:11,279 --> 00:21:09,099 that were outside the cranium even 424 00:21:13,289 --> 00:21:11,289 though he was unable to move his his 425 00:21:14,820 --> 00:21:13,299 head then there's a clarification we 426 00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,830 said okay let's just put something 427 00:21:19,769 --> 00:21:16,960 biological but not a brain like an egg 428 00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:19,779 inside the fMRI and let's stand outside 429 00:21:24,839 --> 00:21:22,960 of the fMRI and just omit the energy and 430 00:21:27,779 --> 00:21:24,849 then just see if we can reproduce some 431 00:21:31,709 --> 00:21:27,789 sort of an effect and on pretty much on 432 00:21:35,549 --> 00:21:31,719 the man basis you know emit detect stop 433 00:21:37,499 --> 00:21:35,559 if that goes away emit detect stop if it 434 00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:37,509 goes away and at this time for example 435 00:21:44,269 --> 00:21:40,960 with an egg inside the fMRI so there 436 00:21:48,089 --> 00:21:44,279 appears to be some sort of interference 437 00:21:51,299 --> 00:21:48,099 effect when the person is performing the 438 00:21:53,219 --> 00:21:51,309 practice exactly what the nature of it 439 00:21:55,589 --> 00:21:53,229 is and how it works we still don't know 440 00:21:56,759 --> 00:21:55,599 and of course we're working with 441 00:21:58,560 --> 00:21:56,769 different laboratories to the 442 00:22:01,440 --> 00:21:58,570 experiments so that we know it's not 443 00:22:04,499 --> 00:22:01,450 limited to a particular type of fMRI or 444 00:22:06,839 --> 00:22:04,509 a particular you know place so we've 445 00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:06,849 done it in a couple labs in Brazil and 446 00:22:12,599 --> 00:22:10,529 we've done it also I think in the US so 447 00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:12,609 right now we're collecting data it's 448 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:14,350 very preliminary 449 00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:16,210 but it's exciting because there might be 450 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:20,169 a way to a very expensive way but a way 451 00:22:24,930 --> 00:22:23,049 nonetheless to detect energy on demand 452 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:24,940 and that would be a important 453 00:22:35,549 --> 00:22:27,940 breakthrough for all of us are there any 454 00:22:37,890 --> 00:22:35,559 other questions so hi a decade Kokubo 455 00:22:40,260 --> 00:22:37,900 did some experiments with cucumbers and 456 00:22:42,409 --> 00:22:40,270 that's not easy to say what what he was 457 00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:42,419 doing was trying to measure biophoton 458 00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:44,799 collection by the cucumbers and using 459 00:22:49,740 --> 00:22:47,200 them as sensors he did one experiment 460 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:49,750 where he laid the cucumbers out and in 461 00:22:54,779 --> 00:22:52,809 rows and in depth around people who were 462 00:22:56,250 --> 00:22:54,789 doing healing and then tried to see if 463 00:22:57,419 --> 00:22:56,260 there was a field effect have you 464 00:22:59,310 --> 00:22:57,429 thought of doing anything similar to 465 00:23:01,940 --> 00:22:59,320 that with your flower I haven't but now 466 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:01,950 now I will think about it 467 00:23:10,210 --> 00:23:08,650 all right great questions comments thank